Speaker 1: 1:30

Well, it's time for Road Adventures with Cycling Men of Leisure, the podcast for cyclists who understand that riding is not just about getting to the destination, but the experience along the way. Now here are the original Cycling Men of Leisure Adam and Michael.

Speaker 2: 1:43

Welcome to another episode of Road Adventures with Cycling Men of Leisure me virtually is my good friend and president or mayor or emperor of the brim nation.

Speaker 3: 2:04

Mr adam, adam, how you doing, I'm doing good. Hashtag the number one, the brim nation, absolutely doing great and uh, uh happy to be here.

Speaker 2: 2:14

well, I I'm happy to have you, but you know what I'm even more happy about. No, are you going to ask me why I did the introduction?

Speaker 3: 2:27

Yeah, actually, why did you do the introduction?

Speaker 2: 2:33

Well, I did the introduction because we wanted to flip the script today, because we are celebrating. We are, yes, we're celebrating. You going to ask me what we're celebrating?

Speaker 3: 2:46

I have a bourbon in my hand and I'm ready to celebrate. What are we celebrating?

Speaker 2: 2:52

We are celebrating the completion of our 50th episode. That's right, cheers. 50 episodes last. The last episode that we did uh marked our 50th episode, so I thought we would have a little celebration, a little party. Uh, obviously the drinks are already flowing, so that's a good sign. Um, because quite honestly blows my mind that we are at. You know, we're number 51 right now. Who and uh, who would have thought, I know, can you believe that we've done like 50 hours of you know this? It just blows my mind no.

Speaker 3: 3:43

I mean.

Speaker 2: 3:44

You know what's even more impressive? Not only have we produced 50 hours of this, but people have listened to 50 hours of this.

Speaker 3: 3:55

Yes, thank you, thank you. Thank you very much. You know when we started, you know you and I both get the same stats. So if you've never done a podcast, you have a launching pad, if you will, which is a hosting platform for the podcast. And I don't care who you use. We use a company called Buzzsprout. No secret there. They're a very famous company, very easy to set up, a lot of tutorials to make it easy and sure.

Speaker 3: 4:27

It takes time. I mean, it took us a lot of time to figure out some of the stuff, to get going. But it gives us all kinds of stats. It tells us, like how long someone listens for how many, how many episodes that have been downloaded every time we have a new episode, how many times it's downloaded. Well then, they have these things like achievements, almost like um, like awards, like hey, you know you, you guys turn episodes and and then and throughout the history, we've always gone to our facebook page and we've shared it. But because I knew we were recording the show, I've been, I've been holding on to the 50. I haven't done anything with it and it's been killing me. So now, after this airs, release the hounds.

Speaker 3: 5:06

I can release the hounds and share the 50th achievement, which you know. I happen to look at some facts, oh, okay. This should be good 20% of all podcasts never make it past 10,000 downloads, and we've surpassed that.

Speaker 2: 5:30

What percentage was that?

Speaker 3: 5:31

20%.

Speaker 3: 5:33

Okay, so we're ahead of 20% of the podcast out there that have that started okay now, if you're listening to this and you're thinking to yourself, is that really possible? The reason why is is that your outliers are people like the joe rogan experience. He has such a large production that his numbers are so high. Um, and and other podcasts that are like dateline and things like that. They're they're the outliers that are just so high, but it's just like the podcasts like you and I. There are so many people who are starting podcasts with with every little thing that you can be like oh, I like to crochet, so I'm starting their crocheting podcast. Well, it takes a very special person to be able to want to listen to a crocheting podcast. I'm not making fun of crocheters. I'm just saying there has to be someone out there who's like oh, you know, I'm curious about crocheting, and then pick up on the show.

Speaker 2: 6:23

You got to have a customer base.

Speaker 3: 6:25

Yeah, and I think in full transparency. Our customer base happens to be in Georgia. It was never planned that way, but we do have a large.

Speaker 2: 6:34

No, no, no, no, no, no, let me stop you. Okay, I know what you're saying, but let me just clean that up a little bit. We've got customers listening, or listeners. Let's just call them listeners, because they're not purchasing really anything here except investing their time, which we certainly appreciate. We've had them from all over the world, most of the continents. What you're saying is that if you look at our stats, the state that consistently, episode after episode, has far more listeners listening into us is Georgia.

Speaker 3: 7:08

Yeah, I mean, and usually that we can actually even pinpoint it down to more in the summer, and usually that we can actually even pinpoint it down to more in the summer right around Bragg, and then it kind of goes the opposite. When we did our episode last year of Christmas stuff, georgia was not number one. There were other states and other territories and areas. But yeah, during the summer we can see that during that around the Bragg ride, which is in June, we do the big brag ride which is around June. We do have a large listenership and have made many friends. But no, it's not the only basis. I mean you, you're the one who excites me with listener spotlight and and and mentioning different countries, and I mean what I can't believe is within like the first three weeks. You're like I want somebody from you know. Africa.

Speaker 3: 7:54

Yeah, and you like the first three weeks. You're like I want somebody from you know africa. Yeah, and you had it.

Speaker 2: 7:56

Somebody was listening in africa so that was like three weeks in. I was like man, if we get somebody from africa, this is going to be so awesome three weeks, and it's like somebody from africa.

Speaker 3: 8:05

It's like, wow, that wasn't as hard as I thought the, the idea that when we first you know, first of all, uh, when we first decided to do the podcast, it was like one of those moments where people probably think I'm lying when I tell the story. When I call you and say are you sitting down? That is 100 true if you're at home going. I wonder if that's true. I swear on everything and that we've done all the time, energy that we've put together into this. I promise you. I called them and said are you sitting down?

Speaker 2: 8:36

I got this crazy idea and I was in this office yeah sitting in this chair and I was like yes, I am sitting down. And I was like oh dear, what are you thinking?

Speaker 3: 8:47

because, truthfully, before that we would call each other, but it wouldn't be on a regular basis. It would be like, hey, we're getting ready for a ride, or what are you planning on bringing, or what bourbon?

Speaker 2: 8:59

there was like the nebraska michigan game or something. We'd be texting each other, maybe calling, saying, oh you know those kind of things, but yeah, nothing on a on a regular basis and and and.

Speaker 3: 9:10

Multiple years I was like dancing on your grave, and this year I think you might be dancing on mine, but that's not important right now so I think Nebraska might have a decent chance with your number 15. Patrick Mahomes protege there.

Speaker 2: 9:24

So if no one knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3: 9:27

Their quarterback has decided to have a haircut. Like Patrick Mahomes, he wears number 15. He throws a sidearm might get in trouble but it was pretty.

Speaker 2: 9:35

Patrick Mahomes in. He wears number 15. He throws a sidearm. Might get in trouble, but it was pretty. He's emulating Patrick.

Speaker 3: 9:37

Mahomes in a big way.

Speaker 2: 9:38

And you know what, if it works for him, I'm saying go for it, because we beat Colorado last weekend by a pretty decent score, so I'll take it when I can get it.

Speaker 3: 9:49

It was a pretty exciting game to watch, I won't lie, going up 28-0.5,. So I might have to be watching go big red this year, cause I'm not sure how go big blue is going to be anyways, moving on. So, but no, it's, it's you know. So, when we started the show and we said yes, and then we we both of us started going down the research path, cause that's how just both of us are We've we, might you know, come at it different's, how just both of us are we, we might, you know, come at it different ways.

Speaker 3: 10:15

But both of us are like, well, we're not just going to jump into this, we want to you know, one of the things that was important to both of us you being in radio before and me being a photographer by trade was having a high quality product, and we spent, we spent hours and hours figuring out okay, well, we need an entrance to the, which is why you hear the woman in the beginning. We hired her, we paid her by the word which, by the way, is industry standard, if you're not sure about that. But if you're paying someone for voice work, you do pay them, either by a job, but mostly you pay them by the word, that they do Pay them by the word. And it turns out she works for nasa. She literally is a rocket scientist who does this on the side, and we call her nasa girl.

Speaker 2: 11:01

um, that's what she calls herself actually.

Speaker 3: 11:03

That's her moniker, that's her business moniker for her voiceover work so you and I both I didn't know that, but or if I did, I just forgot about it. We've been doing this for three years now, but um, so you and I both definitely agreed 100, 100% that if we're going to do it and needed to be high quality, um, which is why, about four or five, 10 episodes, when our friend trip said man, you got this crazy sound, it was killing me, because we take a lot of pride and not having any kind of feedback and sometimes you can't help it because you interview someone out in the open.

Speaker 2: 11:42

The environment dictates a lot of that, especially when you're out and about and you can't control it, unlike here, where you can, fortunately. Unfortunately, he was hearing it here and I know it was bothering you and I had to chuckle and laugh and I apologize now. I hid it from you but it was funny because it was driving you so crazy. You're literally going in your equipment while we're on the phone and you're like pulling cords out and sticking them back in and moving them around and it was just like sitting here going.

Speaker 3: 12:10

Oh my god, this is driving him crazy oh, it was, it was, and I figured out. So some friends at work who listen to the show, which they're very supportive, said man, we don't hear it at all, we don't know what the heck you're talking about. And so then I asked them, because we have some iPads at work. I said pull it up on an Apple device.

Speaker 3: 12:32

And it turns out it was only happening on the Apple platform that I could find out and it was only happening on the Apple podcast and so it was weird. If you went to any pod chasers or anything else it might have been there, but I definitely heard it and I could only hear it if I had on like airpods or or something where it was just I mean just a weird, but it bothered me and yeah, uh, definitely, we tried to fix it bothered me too, but it was funny watching you like pull your hair out, because you're by far the the tech guy here oh yeah and uh, what was funny is we actually had an argument about that, because I generally listen to things through Spotify and I was like, dude, I'm listening and you're like, well put, you know iPod, you know AirPods on and things like that, and I was doing it.

Speaker 2: 13:25

It's like I don't hear any background noise at all. Now, I wasn't going to call Trip a liar or anything, but I wasn't hearing it.

Speaker 3: 13:35

Trip, it sounds like he's completely calling you a liar. I appreciate your support and I'm just kidding Tripp and see, the problem is is Tripp said to me behind the scenes that he listens in his car and it was really evident, I guess in the car when he was driving that he could definitely hear it and I could see that. Maybe the car subwoofers or speakers or mid, you know whatever. I don't know if subwoofers are still a thing in a car, I guess they are, if you don't want them to be, but the different frequency, I bet you that's where he was hearing it. So I listen on my podcast with headphones on. So a car isn't fancy enough to be able to hook that up, but that's by choice, because I like to travel.

Speaker 3: 14:18

But you know, the one thing that I always think about going down memory lane with this show is, you know we said it once before, but 12 times, 12 times. We were, you know, starting out in this we were doing it 12 times, 12 times. We were, so you know, starting out in this.

Speaker 2: 14:40

I don't remember doing it 12 times, starting out on this, and I'll explain the 12 times for the people who may not have heard this. But starting out on this thing, like he said, we did research on you know what kind of equipment we needed. That was going to be the best and I may. You know, we both made some changes to the, to the rooms that we're in and all this kind of stuff, to get the best quality. And we did research on other podcasts to find out. You know how you do this and all of that type of thing. Well, our first podcast, we did it sat down, just like we're doing now, did it and we thought, well, you know what? That wasn't quite quite good enough, so we'll do it again.

Speaker 2: 15:17

We wound up recording that thing 12 times and I'm not lying, that's a hundred times before we got it to where both you and I were like, yeah, that's, that's not bad, but you know what?

Speaker 3: 15:31

go ahead. I was gonna say you know what I I kind of if anyone, depending on what age you are listening to the show, if you ever had your own answering machine and yes, and when you?

Speaker 3: 15:44

decided that you wanted to be like hey, it's Adam and I'm not home right now. Please leave a message. And then, depending on the style of your answering machine, if you came back from being gone for a while and you hit play and it played your own message, it was like that cringing feeling. You're like, oh my gosh, I just or, or now even with your own voicemail, you know, on your, on your cell phone. You know, if you don't have the one that's automatically to is not available right now, but if you have your own, you like, hey, it's, you know, whatever, you know, thanks, you know, hey, thanks for calling blah, blah. And then you play it.

Speaker 3: 16:21

Even then you get that feeling and I think that's what it was for for both of us. Like we play it, we're like, oh, so there was that naturalization of being on a microphone and it's not normal. I mean, it's not something you do. I mean your daughter knocked it out of the park. I mean, first, take, we did a confetti experience with her and, and you know about the bear, and she knocked it out of the park Wasn't uncomfortable at all.

Speaker 2: 16:53

And the funny thing is is, I had been in radio for several years, but it was. It's still different. Yeah, it's still different, but that taught us an important thing, and this is the beauty of it. I mean, this podcast, like our cycling, is a journey, yeah, and we've learned so much and we're still learning. I mean, what was beautiful is after the we did that 12 times and we finally settled. It's like, yes, we can tolerate this. Since that time, we've just said you know what? Um, since that time, we've just said you know what? With very few exceptions do we ever rerecord anything. We just keep it conversational. If we, you know, flub up or mess up or whatever, we just pick ourselves up and go, and I think that's really what's helped make the show you know interesting, or at least I hope, is because you and I are just having a conversation. We're not oh wait, that didn't sound right We'll, we'll do a, you know, a second take or a third take. What you hear is is what we're producing.

Speaker 3: 17:53

And and I think that's a hundred percent true I mean, if you've ever hung out with me in person, you know that I'm I'll slip in what what is formally known as foul language, but we agreed that we would keep the show clean, and so even that the only jokes I make is I might use the beep, where I would normally say something like when we do rants of dissatisfaction.

Speaker 3: 18:16

And if you've never heard that, it's just our way of being like this is our way of releasing some stress about dumb stuff to us in America. I mean it doesn't have to be America actually it could be anywhere but like your Christmas lights that are still on in May, I mean that's just frustrating stuff. I mean so we would do stuff like that. But you know, even then I'm like, yeah, you big, you know, hit the mute button or the sensor button, but even then I'm learning different ways to communicate and learning. I just remember how much time we put in and editing in the very beginning, like you, like you said it was driving me nuts.

Speaker 3: 18:54

I'm pulling chords out and and literally there really is a lot of chords. He's not lying, there's microphone chords and headphones and usbcs and all kinds of things and yeah, it was bothering me. But you know, I just remember editing the first show and then cutting this and then trying to hit the post and trying to do, um, putting it in and software and just getting it just perfect. And now the last episode that we did, I think literally we spent, after recording it, maybe five, ten minutes, uh, matching up nasa girl and matching up the end, making sure the transition sounds good, um, but you know we've, we've built a model where the model works and we know what to do and we know what to listen for and the experience. So you're right, it's definitely, I think, I think you you said it absolutely the best, which is this is a learning, learning curve, learning process and, um, you know, 50 episodes to one podcast may not be a lot, but what you and I have decided to do is not have like three minute episodes.

Speaker 2: 20:04

We've seen other podcasts that have like episode 265 and then we ran into one just the other day when we were looking yep where they don't do it on a regular basis. They may do, you know, two episodes back to back, you know days, or they might do three in a row, but they're anywhere between four and 10 minutes long.

Speaker 3: 20:22

So yeah, I mean there is a new thing called Snapcast which is basically and I recommended this to a good friend of ours, franklin Johnson so, yeah, so they put out a monthly newsletter called bragging rights. If you've ever done one of the rides, you pretty much, I think you basically get on the list, I think I, I think that's how you would do it. And so, um, and I called them and I said, man, I'm like you gotta, you gotta, please understand that they're doing this thing where they call them snapcasts or four or five minute shows. Um, basically, you give an overview of the newsletter because a lot of people don't have time to read. I mean, they get so many emails the last thing they want to do is, like another email delete and they won't even look at it. And so, um, so he, he's kind of looking at that, what to do, and he's in the process of getting a new executive director for his, um, stateside rides, us rides, and so I think that's going to be part of it. But so, yeah, I mean you and I chose to do just full episodes and so to have 50 full episodes of either content, and we've come a long way where the other thing that I think I was going down memory lane is.

Speaker 3: 21:39

You know, in the beginning, you and I shared this Apple file back and forth where we had ideas for shows and what can we talk about? And you know, I went into it with the idea of saying, okay, we're going to talk an hour about packing for RAGBRAI, and it was you that opened my mind to be like, but what if you don't care about rag braai? What if you don't care about packing? Have we just lost a listener? And so you were the one who said, hey, let's, and I'll give full credit where credit is due. I mean, you don't wear a DeBrim, but that's okay. Well, we still love you, buddy.

Speaker 3: 22:18

But you were the one who said, you know, we need to do different, different segments. And you know different. First it was different segments and then you came up with the idea of, of, hey, why don't we? You know spotlight, if you will, we call this our spotlight, but spotlight. You know different new areas where people are listening, or maybe, maybe, if it's not new, an area that we haven't mentioned before. And with your history, and for those who don't know, michael started his life off, was going to be a teacher, and that that was kind of one of those things that happened where you decided to do something different which, by the way, I never thought I would be doing what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: 22:55

So it's just you never know where you're going to end up.

Speaker 3: 23:00

So your history and the listener spotlight. We get so many compliments and and and even um, the guy jeff, who helped us with the weather in iowa, my employee uh, he's more of a friend but still I mean he he says, oh man, I loved your last. He came to me at work on monday and he said I loved your last episode. And that's a high for me when someone says that. Like when we, you and I, meet people in the public and and and say, oh, I listen to your show. And like when we were at rag bride 50th anniversary, our 50th route announcement party, and we had those cycling men of leisure sweatshirts which, by the way, it was zero degrees out.

Speaker 3: 23:37

We needed some sort of warm clothes it was cold and the guy out of nowhere goes. Oh, I listen to your show and I love what you're doing. Keep doing it. We didn't know that guy, from nothing I mean, and so it was things like that it was. You know, that was kind of exciting Little pieces to make you. You know, it's like a boss telling an employee you're doing a great job.

Speaker 1: 24:03

You know, if you tell your employees that once in a while they're like oh thanks a lot, you know, and so same thing for us.

Speaker 3: 24:07

But yeah, 12 times we record.

Speaker 2: 24:10

I remember we recorded it and then we would listen to it, and then we were yeah, we recorded the whole thing and then listen to the whole thing, and it took us hours and the other thing I was thinking back on the other thing I was thinking back on is early on we didn't know how long these things would take.

Speaker 2: 24:29

So we, when we decided to do it, that first three weeks or so, we busted out like three episodes because, we didn't know, we didn't want to fall behind and we wanted to keep things on cadence and we didn't know if we were going to be able to do every other week, certainly starting out. So we wanted to keep things on cadence and we didn't know if we were going to be able to do every other week, certainly starting out. So we wanted to have some, you know, uh, some content in the can, so to speak, um, so that if we fell behind we had something to put in there. And what's ironic and I don't know if we, if you've thought about this we have an episode that we recorded, you know, back when we started, that we've never played I know, you know what's funny is, so um which is fine, and and we're not gonna play it no um no, I mean it was a decent episode and had good content.

Speaker 2: 25:17

What we'll do is, if we need some new ideas, we'll take that content, refresh it and and do a new show.

Speaker 3: 25:23

But you know what we do. You and I privately listen to it and be like, oh, that was horrible, and then record it.

Speaker 2: 25:31

So I'm not this winter, when it's freezing up there, yeah, and I don't have anything to do.

Speaker 3: 25:37

We're gonna, you know, pour ourselves something to drink yeah and we will set and listen to that and we can get a good laugh at ourself yeah, we'll laugh'll laugh Cause, you know, now I feel I mean cause even people who meet me and they're like, oh, you sound just like the guy in the podcast, I'm like, well, that's good Cause it's me, but, um, it is more natural now. Now I, you know, flip down the microphone. I mean I've done three, three equipment changes since we started. I started with like a little little travel piece and then I got a smaller board and then technology changes and we figured we're going to actually go somewhere with this thing and so I have a larger board and of course you saw it when you were here recently it's got all kinds of toys on it. You can do all kinds of crazy stuff.

Speaker 2: 26:31

Oh they've.

Speaker 3: 26:32

They've heard your toys oh, I know, I know they have. So I mean you can't, you can't go wrong with a little little rim shot there, a little sad you can go very wrong. Yes, all right, that's enough, but, um, so yeah, I mean, uh, camera changes, board board changes, microphones, for sure, and this is the one that I keep coming back to the Shure SMB7. It's my favorite, it's your go-to. Oh yeah, I mean, I got others here, I got this one here.

Speaker 2: 27:11

You got the red, the blue, the black.

Speaker 3: 27:13

they're all color-coded, I got this one here, this Samsung, but this one, sure, I definitely like Just different equipment changes. You realize you're going to stick with it and so I don't plan on stopping anytime soon. So I think there's enough stuff for us to listen to. We can tell based upon when the show comes out, the listenership. It's just like anything else it peaks at first and then falls off, but then there'll be a random day where I'll look at the numbers and be like holy cow, like a hundred people you know listen to different episodes or whatever. So, um, but yes, I do know about that show, uh, and I do know that we talked about like stats and stuff like that of different yeah, like cycling rider stats who's riding and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 28:07

We'll probably pull that information out, refresh it and redo it, but it's funny you'd mentioned may, my daughter and confetti, and I'm sitting here and if you look for the people not just listening, I apologize, but if you look behind my shoulder, right here, it's confetti.

Speaker 3: 28:25

Oh yes.

Speaker 2: 28:25

On the shelf watching, so I thought that was funny. I didn't realize he was up there.

Speaker 3: 28:31

Does she move him around so?

Speaker 2: 28:33

sometimes it gets moved around and it was like, oh, that's okay, it's right there. So yeah, yeah, We've we've in the garage. Oh, we, we have. We've done an episode in my garage. We've done an episode at Disney.

Speaker 3: 28:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:52

We Disney? Yeah, we have At the resort. At Disney we did an episode in a lobby of a Comfort Inn or Holiday Inn and Suites or I don't know, in Orlando.

Speaker 3: 29:02

Yeah, that's. Here's a little secret. That was the first time we ever interviewed Franklin.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Yes, it is. And so we apologize.

Speaker 3: 29:12

We're like dude. We're in a lobby right now because they threw us out of our room.

Speaker 2: 29:17

So we've recorded some interesting places and you know, obviously along the way we've interviewed ride directors and paramedics, emts, things like that.

Speaker 3: 29:29

Remember the show we tried to record at bourbon country burn the first year.

Speaker 3: 29:34

It was outside and we thought it was blowing, just a little bit and all you could hear was like until we got back to the studio and it was like, Ooh, that's brutal. And so what we did is is we kind of just said, okay, what do we talk about? And we recorded it, we created it. We created it so yeah, but it was not good. The wind didn't sound that bad when we were recording it, we had headphones on, but when we played it later we were like oof, not good.

Speaker 2: 30:05

The microphones were just sensitive enough that it picked it up really bad and we kind of sounded sounded like we were one of those guys on the weather channel, you know, in the hurricane, doing the, the broadcast right there from the beach as the waves are crashing in and the wind is blowing.

Speaker 3: 30:20

I've got my wind or my rain jacket on the winds a hundred and then they hit. He'd get hit by a stop sign in the face. I would love those.

Speaker 2: 30:27

Like I don't think the heavy stuff's coming down for a while.

Speaker 3: 30:30

Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:46

And we've, you know, I mean looking back we've interviewed, you know, matt Fippen up in Ragbri and Franklin Johnson and Bragg and Neil up at you know, Shoreline Just been a lot of people that we've been able to get on the show and talk to, you know, talk about their experiences and and cycling.

Speaker 3: 30:55

So it's been awesome and, and you know, we started the cycling women of leisure series and I'm excited because, we're bringing that back. We've got a couple of cycling women.

Speaker 2: 31:10

It never really went really in a way, but we just haven't done one in a while and there's a chance and I'm not going to get my. You know I'm going to pace myself, but we've got one ready to go. So I believe our next episode we're going to uh to have the uh, the women uh of, or the cycling women of leisure series. Uh will be our next and then I think later on this week we're going to be talking to somebody else that will be making making another one of those episodes. So it should be fun. We can highlight the ladies of cycling.

Speaker 3: 31:43

Supposed to be. Let's hope I mean one. I can guarantee you happened, it's in the can. That's right, we got that one ready, and so.

Speaker 2: 31:55

It'll be fun, um, we'll maybe briefly talk about it later, but no, we we've uh we've interviewed some great people. We've had some great discussions. Personally, I know, uh, I've had a you know great time on here. Um, and thank you to everybody out there who takes the time, whatever they're doing, to listen or to, to watch us or to pay any attention to us whatsoever, cause, you know, it just impresses me that they do.

Speaker 3: 32:22

And we especially want to thank those who wear the brim. Oh no, just kidding. No, um, you know. On a? On a more serious note, I would agree with that. I'll mirror what you said, because anytime that I'm in my personal life and someone says hey, you know, cause I've shared the show with friends, I've shared the show with non-cyclist friends and I think, at first someone who doesn't care about cycling listens. If they know us. They listen, you know, just because they know us. And then because we've tried to mix in different things other than cycling, which is, you know, the basis is cycling, but you know that's different. You know we go to distilleries a lot.

Speaker 3: 33:06

Look behind me, if you're watching on youtube. That's not a 3d image, it's not a hologram, but it's the memories of the people we've met, and I'll just say that, yes, it's been fun. At times, I'm always nervous that we're not going to meet the two week mark, and so there are some times where life gets in the way where you think, well, 14 days, you can't, you can't just bust out an episode. Well, we could, but we'd like to try our best to have some, some good, good content and so figuring something out that people would like to listen to. Or and then this, the humor that comes along the way. If people think that that is just for the show, that's just us in person. If you're, if you know us, you already are laughing. But if you don't know us in person, that's just.

Speaker 2: 33:59

I mean I'll say back to that whole thing we're just having a conversation. This is like any type of conversation we would have, whether we were on the phone, we were in person. We're at a ride, we're not at a ride, we're at a distillery or whatever. That's just us. We. We take jabs at each other, we banter with each other. I mean that's just uh, that's just our relationship.

Speaker 3: 34:15

So and, and you know, one of my favorite pastimes is finding someone who is just like, like very monotone. And then I'll purposely say, like you mean like when you were in prison, and obviously you were never in prison, you work for the government, obviously that nothing that's ever happened and and um.

Speaker 3: 34:37

but the looks that we get from people are like they'll look up and be like you were in prison and it just makes me so happy and I just laugh because I know that they're like life is not that serious, you got to relax, I mean. So it's always fun for me to do that slapstick humor and so we bring that into the show and a lot of people mentioned to me that they like that, Like, oh, I like how you guys do that for the show. I'm like it's not for the show.

Speaker 2: 35:04

It's not acting. No-transcript. Are these guys serious, or are they joking, or what's the deal?

Speaker 3: 35:39

so there's nothing better to me when we go some some ride to one of the rides and they have a shower truck and there's like nine stalls within the semi-trailer and I can just tell like you're like like seven down from me or whatever and I'm like man, this is like when we were in prison and then you fire right back with I don't know man, at least there's hot water here. And then there's like there's five people in between us and you know they're thinking to themselves why the heck are them boys talking about? Good?

Speaker 2: 36:25

times.

Speaker 3: 36:25

Good times, glad to celebrate.

Speaker 2: 36:28

Yes, good Congratulations on 50, sir, and let's go for another 50.

Speaker 3: 36:34

Kind of having fun, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 36:38

Now I think we can move on.

Speaker 3: 36:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:42

Our, our, our celebratory uh, uh, drink here and that type of thing, because, uh, I'm excited to talk a little bit about our Listener spotlight Way to pick up the prompt Good job.

Speaker 3: 37:03

Yeah, yeah, listen, it's not my first rodeo.

Speaker 2: 37:04

I got in the tank baby, yes, last episode's listener spotlight. Now you told me somebody has written in with a potential answer that is correct.

Speaker 3: 37:15

Now my for you is would you like to do our normal, where you give the clues and then I give you his guess, or would you like a guess and then give the clues?

Speaker 2: 37:26

For this one. I will do the clues, okay, and then you can give the guess from our listener. Okay, copy. The clues were as follows this community began as a Native American settlement and the name is derived from the indigenous people who live there. It was settled mostly by German Scots-Irish farmers in the mid-1800s and the town was incorporated in the 1880s. The early economy was based around textiles textile mills. The railroad arrived in this community in the late 1880s, which provided them direct access to the markets of Atlanta and became a central focus of the community. One central attraction of this community is a hundred plus year old bridge and the town is connected to the U S is recognition of the Republic of Texas. There you go.

Speaker 3: 38:38

Well, our good friend and team member oh, okay cool ed has awesome texted me so he thinks he knows yeah, I got this. That's bold.

Speaker 2: 38:53

That's bold, that's bold.

Speaker 3: 38:55

Anyway, go ahead he says sounds like listener spotlight might be my town, oh, waxhaw, named after the Waxhaw Indians Settled by the German Scots Bridge, over railroad tracks and center of town built in the 1900s. Textiles were a major industry in the birthplace of Andrew Jackson, leader of the annexation of Texas. Hmm. Well how is that done?

Speaker 2: 39:45

well, how is that done? Um, ed, you get double gold stars, because this week's answer is wexhall, north carolina. Wow, look at that. Hold on a second, I gotta go to a different page.

Speaker 3: 40:00

Good job, ed. Wow, I mean, I'm not surprised. Ed's a genius.

Speaker 2: 40:03

Well, yeah, and I'll tell you how you came up with this. The community was originally named Wasaki Okay, but it later became known as Wexhaw, which was a group from that tribe. It was primarily settled by German and Scotch-Irish farmers. In the 1880s the railroad arrived the tracks the reason why I had said it was a central focus of the community. They laid the railroad tracks right down the middle of town. That's how important the railroad was to them.

Speaker 2: 40:45

The one essential attraction that I mentioned was the 100 plus year old bridge which was built over the railroad tracks in 1888. And in 1940, it was changed to a pedestrian-only bridge, and so, apparently, the big thing is, you know, for tourists, you can go up there and if you catch it at the right time, you can stand on the bridge as the train goes through town and underneath you. And the town was connected to the US's recognition of the Republic of Texas. Although disputed, wexhaw is the birthplace of our seventh president, andrew Jackson. One of his final acts as president was to officially recognize the Republic of Texas. He did not have anything to do with the annexation of Texas, but he did, as a representative of our government, recognize the Republic of Texas. Texas was not annexed until James K Polk, who I believe was our 11th president. Oh, what a guy there you have. Oh, remember Polk. I mean oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Ed, there you have it.

Speaker 3: 42:06

Well, thank you listeners of Wexhall. Thank you all listeners, but this time thank you Wexhall.

Speaker 2: 42:20

One other thing I want to do is I want to give a shout out because we had another first on our listeners. We actually had someone listening from Hong Kong. Wow, add that one to the big board. Is that legal? That is kind of Chinese, semi-chinese territory nowadays, now that the Brits gave it up. But yeah, I don't know, maybe the government censors weren't watching that day and someone got through. But thank you to whoever's listening to Hong Kong. We appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 42:53

No, we definitely appreciate it. I only said it was illegal. Legal because you know they've opened up their own starbucks and the logo is so similar and I mean there's just so many stories of things that they're doing over there, so it's just crazy. So I thought is that really illegal?

Speaker 2: 43:07

but hey, if we got through, hong kong is is, you know, chinese territory. It's like chinese light, you know it's like you got the the Chinese government overseeing you, but because the British were there, they're kind of uh, been hardcore. I mean, they've kind of not been hardcore on them. So you know, thank you, appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 43:28

Absolutely. I love it. I love when we get new areas. It's always amazing when we click, click on those stats like we were talking about before and you can see like certain percentages of countries and as you can actually click on every episode we've ever had and then look at like the countries and the percentages are pretty neat. I mean, some of the percentages overseas are increasing and that's kind of cool to see. So I would like to go ahead.

Speaker 2: 43:54

I think we need to to take our episode and find out what we sound like and translate it to French or Chinese or something. I think that'd be fun Another thing to do on a cold winter night. We'll sit around and listen to our episodes in a foreign language with the translation on.

Speaker 3: 44:13

I don't know how I would sound like.

Speaker 2: 44:15

Well, we can find out.

Speaker 3: 44:17

Remember in Buzz Lightyear when they switched him to the Spanish mode? So, but I've never asked you this before. I, besides listening to our show for you know, checking its content and creativity and ideas, do you? Do you listen to podcasts in your personal life? I don't know that.

Speaker 2: 44:39

I do on occasion. It's nothing I listen to on a regular basis.

Speaker 3: 44:42

Gotcha.

Speaker 2: 44:43

I'll occasionally go out there and just do some poking around and go this sounds interesting, that sounds interesting. So I'm a sporadic podcast listener. I'm not like one of those hardcore people that do it a lot. Now, if I was still driving to an office every morning, I would probably be doing it, but since my commute is 13 stairs I don't really have the time.

Speaker 3: 45:05

So yeah, every day I listen to the podcast on the way back and forth to work. I got about a 20 minute drive to work and I could remote and there are times that if it's convenient for me I'll remote if I've got someone to look at, come and look at the fridge or delivery or something. But I prefer to be on property and so it's about 22 minutes from my doorstep through via Starbucks to via my office and I can usually on my way in and way home I can get an episode done. The reason why I was asking if you listen to podcasts is depending on the show. I know your wife listens to true crime. I don't. I don't think you do Right.

Speaker 3: 45:41

No no, no, but some of the true crime narrators read like this and then the guy came and then all of the evidence. I can't take it, so I go like one point, two, five speed. And then he came and got the episode and he got the evidence.

Speaker 2: 45:58

And then they were like the evidence was picked up and taken back to headquarters.

Speaker 3: 46:01

Yeah, so I just remember when you and I were first doing this show, we found all those buttons where we could change our voice. I remember us listening to ourselves at like 2 speed, like yeah, and then when you laugh, like I was just curious if like in your personal life, because there are shows that I do like to listen to. I listen to True Crime, but I also like Investing Podcast, if it's like investing for beginners or whatever, and figuring out some of the things, even those narrators, I'm like dude, come on, either I'm just a little bit advanced, but past a beginner, I mean.

Speaker 2: 46:40

And so I'm like yeah, I know that and then I come on, come on exactly, get me to the stuff I need I always wonder, like, what speed um someone listens to us at.

Speaker 3: 46:49

So if you're out there and you listen to us at anything other than a one speed on a regular basis, I would love to hear it. I mean, um, because the show is recorded at single speed, with the idea of the jokes and the punch lines and everything else at single speed. So I just had a curiosity if you're out there and you're a listener and you listen at different speed, I would, I would love to, uh, I'd love to know. I was thinking about that, because I am a true crime listener.

Speaker 2: 47:16

Maybe they listen to us really slowly.

Speaker 3: 47:23

Now listen. I don't want to be a censor, but that would be torture.

Speaker 2: 47:29

They got a lot of extra time on their hands. Let me tell you.

Speaker 3: 47:33

So I'm listening to this show, now called the Piketon Massacre. It's about this murder in ohio, um, where one family wiped out the other, and they don't need me to advertise for them listens to this.

Speaker 3: 47:45

Oh my god hold on a second. They don't. They don't need me to trust me, they're, they're, they're doing just fine, but, um, they're. Those narrators are definitely. You know, I work out a lot now and so it's about an hour workout every morning and the episodes are about 40 minutes long but there's commercials. But the commercials are worth it because I can listen at two speed and it's like like Ryan Seacrest in my ear this morning about some pomegranate juice. He's like do you listen to this? Do you drink this? And then when, then, when the show comes back on, I put it at regular speed. So it just got me wondering, got me thinking no, no.

Speaker 3: 48:24

I don't the 13 stairs that you have you wouldn't get much of a show recorded.

Speaker 2: 48:35

Yeah, it would take me six months to listen to a 20 minute podcast.

Speaker 3: 48:39

So yeah, yeah, this is true, this is true, but um, all right, just something I was curious about.

Speaker 2: 48:49

No, no, that's, that's cool. Um, do we have time? Are we good on time? Do we do we want to go into the what I've deemed the uh 13 versus 6 discussion, which you don't know anything about, but you can pretend like you do.

Speaker 3: 49:04

Oh yes, the 13 versus 6 which I.

Speaker 2: 49:11

I make up these names for things and then I deliberately don't tell adam, even though we've talked about this. I just didn't have a title to it.

Speaker 3: 49:18

And then he's like uh, yeah, let's talk about that my favorite when you talk about people from history and you're like and then it was james gallagher and I'm like um yeah, yeah, I know james. Oh yeah, he was a good one.

Speaker 2: 49:33

Yeah, what the heck is this guy talking about? No, uh, we had talked about it. Um, last episode I had talked about we had a product review and it was on my carbon tires, my carbon wheels. Oh yeah, and uh, we had talked about, um, discussing a little bit about carbon versus aluminum, cause I know there's a lot of people out there that doesn't really understand, uh, carbon versus aluminum, because I know there's a lot of people out there that doesn't really understand what's the difference. Is there really an advantage? So I thought we could spend a couple of minutes just discussing that 1,300 versus 600.

Speaker 3: 50:04

Got it? No, no.

Speaker 2: 50:08

Okay, you got to memorize what I tell you, because if you just throw out random numbers, it doesn't work. We're going to. I've entitled this section 13 versus 6 yeah, versus 600 and you know how I came up with this uh, we're talking about aluminum versus carbon and if you look on the atomic scale, aluminum is 13, carbon is, so 13 versus 6 is where I got it.

Speaker 3: 50:37

Wow, really yes.

Speaker 2: 50:39

The atomic number of aluminum is 13. Atomic number of carbon is 6.

Speaker 3: 50:51

So we're going to have a discussion of 13 versus 6.

Speaker 2: 50:54

Aluminum versus carbon.

Speaker 3: 50:54

Wow, okay, it was a slow day at work yesterday. Okay, no, I'm like, did you?

Speaker 2: 50:59

just know that, or did you have to, like, look that up? Well, everybody knows the atomic numbers, don't you?

Speaker 3: 51:05

Well, I know, like the element chart of it, you know.

Speaker 2: 51:08

Nobody knows that. I mean, there's people that know it, but not, like you know, astrophysicists, people in hard sciences are going to know that. But anyway, let's talk about wheel sets.

Speaker 3: 51:19

Okay.

Speaker 2: 51:21

I did, uh, for years I'd ridden on aluminum. I just recently started doing carbon. I know for several years you've ridden on carbon tires, um, but what is the difference and does it really matter? Is kind of what I wanted to discuss. Okay, um, I did some research and found out that in recreational cyclists, only about 10 to 20% of recreational cyclists use carbon wheel sets. I think that's about right. When we're out there, most of what you see is aluminum. Obviously, on the professional side of things, obviously, everybody's using carbon there, but for recreational, only 10 to 20% are out there using a carbon wheel sets.

Speaker 2: 52:04

Aluminum, uh, since the eighties, uh, rims have been made with aluminum alloys. Um, again, that was a step up from the old steel wheels that they used to have. There was a lot of advantages to that. In the 19, I think around 1998, carbon fiber wheels were introduced and, of course, the leading group that was promoting those were the professional cyclists. The leading group that was, you know, promoting those were the professional cyclists. Now, when you look at aluminum wheels, there's some advantages. Uh, the big one that will immediately come to everybody's mind and if I ask you, you could probably tell me the big advantage of aluminum is going to be the cost. Yeah, they are way more affordable uh than the carbon 25 bucks in the middle of Georgia and you break your carbon wheel and you can find one If you're lucky.

Speaker 3: 53:05

I was lucky.

Speaker 2: 53:07

You were very lucky. There are generally half the price, if not more, half the price, if not a little less, than carbon wheels With aluminum. The aluminum is going to flex more, which is going to offer you a more comfortable ride. So there's a lot of advantages there. It's going to absorb the shock better and also vibrations better, so with aluminum it's going to it's going to be basically a a a more comfortable ride overall. When you look at it from that point of view, uh, and here's a good one for you Aluminum is easily repairable or replaceable, and and we we found that out, uh, in Georgia. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 3: 53:56

I would definitely agree with that.

Speaker 2: 53:58

Because when you had a blowout in Georgia and it blew out that chunk of that carbon wheel, there was no way in that town of I don't know what maybe 15,000, 10,000, 15,000, you were going to be able to find a carbon replacement for that wheel. That just wasn't really an option and, quite honestly, the mechanics wouldn't have had one. Now I would bet you, as good as the mechanics are on Bragg is, he could have probably gotten one for you the next morning before the ride. I'm just guessing here, but he's got a shop down the road. I think he could have probably got you one. It would have been a lot more costly and it would have been a lot more time consuming to do so.

Speaker 2: 54:45

The aluminum is obviously going to be more easily repairable. You can turn it to its original shape if it gets a little bent out. Finding those replacements are much easier. Shape if it gets a little bent out. Uh, refining, finding those replacements are much easier and, uh, more reliable. Aluminum tends to be a little bit more reliable because they are less likely to break. If you would have had your accident and again the tire blew out and it blew out a chunk of the carbon, if you would have had that on an aluminum uh wheel set um, you wouldn't have had a catastrophic failure, in my opinion. I don't think.

Speaker 2: 55:18

I mean there might have been a little bit of damage, but I think we could have taken that wheel and repaired it, and I think you'd have still been able to ride on it.

Speaker 3: 55:27

I completely agree, I destroyed it.

Speaker 2: 55:33

You did destroy it, but you did it in fine style. Sir Right, I didn't fall't kudos to you exactly, and you didn't fall.

Speaker 2: 55:39

Well, it's good, because if you would have fell, your head would have been crushed by traffic. So, yeah, it's not important, good, ah, it was just some cars. Now there is some disadvantages with the aluminum. Uh, they're going to be slightly heavier, uh, because aluminum is a more dense material. This is going to cause them to be a little bit slower.

Speaker 2: 56:03

The flexibility I said is an advantage. They're going to flex a little bit more, they're going to absorb that shock, but it also makes them less responsive because they do have more give in them when you're trying to make sudden moves, sudden changes, things like that, that flex. You've got to compensate for that flex before you actually get a reaction from the bicycle and they're going to be really less efficient. The extra weight and the flexibility makes riding them less effective or less excuse me, less efficient. Um, it's going to require more energy and stamina, uh, compared with with the carbon. So there's a lot of advantages, uh, to keeping your aluminum wheel set, but on the carbon side, um, basically, for those who don't know, carbon is just a carbon fiber reinforced with a polymer, and the advantages are going to be that they're going to be stiffer. So what that's going to do for you is it's going to result in sharper steering. It's going to be more responsive. So if you're out there and you're gunning and you need to immediately get out of this lane or dodge this or dodge that, um, your carbon tires are going to react better for you, or carbon wheels?

Speaker 2: 57:26

Uh, speed and acceleration, I think you know I told you that was one of the big things that I found is that I noticed a difference in the speed and the acceleration. Um, that I, that I could, that I could feel because of the. You know, you can just spin faster because of the power transfer. They're better aerodynamically. They're better aerodynamic. I will say that if you get them deep enough.

Speaker 2: 57:55

There's a little disadvantage there if the wind's blowing, because if you're not used to it you can kind of feel that sailboat effect going there. But they maintain their shape better. They're going to be less likely to deform, slightly lose their shape. But there again, on the aluminum, if you get a slight little wobble or something, you can easily fix that In efficiency. They're lighter, they're stiffer, it's going to take less energy for you to use them. So those are the advantages. The disadvantages are going to be cost. You know, I just bought a set. They're pricey. Durability carbon is going to be more brittle. You know you've ran into the case there, I think, where you'll see a lot of the carbon makers will have some kind of road guarantee, meaning that if there's some kind of catastrophic accident where you just weren't being stupid or whatever, they'll replace your carbon wheels not for free, but they'll give you a discount, that kind of thing.

Speaker 3: 59:01

So that's what happened to me when we were in Georgia.

Speaker 2: 59:06

So I just want people to kind of understand there there's a payoff, there and there's a difference, because I know I had. I got in a discussion with somebody on the last ride in Michigan about oh what's you know why? Carbon and that type of thing. So I just wanted people to kind of understand that carbon has a lot of advantages if you want to pay the money for it. But those advantages come with a cost. You're going to be a little faster, you're going to take a little less energy, you're going to be a little lighter. But If you have some kind of accident, like you had things of that nature a lot harder to repair it's almost impossible to repair a lot harder to replace and things like that.

Speaker 3: 59:49

On top of that, you and I decided to go with a company that's from Australia, and you know, I mean, we advance in technology, we advance in everything, but then again, the additional delay of the shipping, additional delay of the production, additional delay of everything. I literally ordered my replacement rim the night that it happened. I so, june 8th, 9th, whatever, 7th I didn't have that until the end of july. I mean, it was a month and a half later, and so that's one. It could be a disadvantage. Um, now, if you're indispensable, made of money, I guess you could buy two pair and have a, have a backup. But I mean, realistically, that's not really what we can all do. I will tell you that, um, full transparency. When I bought my first uh, carbon wheels the wheels that I actually destroyed, um, I had been told by friends that, oh yeah, it's a big difference, it's a big difference, it's a big difference and I didn't doubt it.

Speaker 3: 1:00:54

But I was kind of questioning whether the performance would be that big of a difference and so installed them, and in the beginning I'm like oh yeah, and then I just had them for so long that I just kind of like became accustomed to them or became used to that with my bike, and that's how it felt and, like you said, minus a sidewind because of the 50 millimeter wall of the rim. A sidewind is one of those interesting things where you better be holding onto the handlebar pretty good.

Speaker 3: 1:01:22

Oh yeah, um, but then when I destroyed the rim, um, or when it destroyed itself, and the road destroyed your room when the when the incident happened, um, I was very thankful to get the aluminum rim, but I must tell you, when we were leaving town that day, which was some of the biggest elevation for the entire Ride or Brag, I'm like, oh, I know, a part of it was in my mind. I'm willing to admit that a part of it was in my mind.

Speaker 3: 1:01:53

But the other part that wasn't in my mind was, physically, the additional amount of inertia that I had to put out to climb the hills like that I had done the day before. And on top of all of that, when I did get the new wheel in the next day I did that one hell of a ride. I did a century not being on the bike for 40 something days. I went out and did a century and I mean I felt, I felt on fire. I was like it's a huge difference to have that carbon wheel back. So definitely think there's an advantage. Is there a cost? Yeah, there's a cost, I mean. And then you know, depending on if you're just riding around the neighborhood, you're not really going to see a big advantage. But if you're doing long distance rides or you know performance rides and you're trying to get something faster I'm not a big speed guy, but could I tell for a long distance ride, absolutely, I mean uh, definitely a huge, huge, uh, huge help. So that's interesting. I appreciate the 13.6 wink wink, uh, explanation.

Speaker 2: 1:02:57

Yeah, I, I had had somebody ask me and then they kind of talked about it. Well, maybe I should get carbon, and a lot of people don't understand kind of the difference. I think they look at it as well. Professional cyclists use it. It's going to be lighter, it's going to be faster, but there is some downside. So people need to understand what both the pros and the cons are of both of these before you go out and lay out.

Speaker 2: 1:03:23

You know $1,500, $2,000 plus for these type of wheel sets, so I thought it might be interesting to adjust my derailleur while I'm going down the road, like I see in the pros, where the mechanic leans out the back window and I'll just lean off my bike and uh and adjust your derailleur and then if you, uh, you have any scrapes or anything, I'll uh, you know, patch those up to along the way, just like, you know, the pros do with the uh, the medical, uh vehicle.

Speaker 3: 1:03:51

So, I want you to stand there with extra wheels next time I get bye no, you know what?

Speaker 2: 1:03:59

we'll just do, like the professionals do. Uh, the car is not available. I'm just gonna hand you my bike. You just take my bike and ride and I'll take care and figure out how to fix your bike. How about that? That's what they do in the pro circuit.

Speaker 2: 1:04:13

You know, if your car is not anywhere around and you're like one of the lead riders for your team, you know one of the team members just gives up one of the domestiques just give up their bike and you chug one of the lead riders for your team. You know one of the team members just gives up, one of the domestiques just give up their bike and you chug on down the road.

Speaker 3: 1:04:26

I don't know what's wrong with that. I'll ride your Italian stallion buddy. You fixed a noble steed for me, if you don't mind.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

Yeah, I'll take care of it, man. Next time you just take my ride, and as long as I get a couple of pictures of you on the Bianchi, I'll be uh, be happy.

Speaker 3: 1:04:42

You know, earlier, uh, before we get to our our since we've kind of gone a little bit long here before we get to our next listener spotlight, you know we were going down memory lane and we totally missed something.

Speaker 3: 1:04:57

I mean the whole to YouTube in a video form and we totally just kind of skip that, and so, um, before we left the show, I wanted to make sure that you know, if you're uh, if you like to listen to us and you're like what were those guys look like? Or you know whatever what those guys do or talk about, you can watch us on YouTube, or you can listen and watch, watch and listen. I mean we do, we, a lot of people do that, which is which is interesting to me that that they do, and I appreciate that they do, by the way, but we hear that a lot that people either are in their car and they listen and they go back and watch us later.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

So, yeah, and watching us has some advantages, because we often, you know, speak of what's in our backgrounds. Our backgrounds are, in fact, our offices, our home offices. It's not 3D. He has his collection of mini bottles of fine bourbon. I've got a Modge Podge, my camera collections, my Tiki's, other things over here, so you might want to check that out. You'll see what we look like and kind of get an idea for what we're talking about when we talk about our backdrops.

Speaker 3: 1:06:09

I did get a question, um, in georgia that I thought I would answer. Someone always said to someone once said to me what do you do if you're home and you have like a zoom meeting for work or something? In full transparency, I point the camera the other way. Um, I just want to be honest about that. I don't have all the I don't like. I work for county government. The last thing I want to do is be like Whoa, what is what is he doing?

Speaker 2: 1:06:32

So, um, so I do I do have to say. You've been to my place several times and sometimes you do work, and one day you needed to do a meeting and so I was like, yeah, just go down to my office, you know, sit at my desk, take your meeting. And whoever was at your meeting saw all of this in the background and they asked you, are you in an antique shop?

Speaker 3: 1:06:57

Yes, they did, they did. I said where are you and? I. I'm like don't worry about where I'm at, none of your business. No, but I've been on golf courses before and my employees have been like are you on a golf course right now?

Speaker 2: 1:07:11

I'm like no, no, this is my lawn. Thank you very much that's right, that's right.

Speaker 3: 1:07:17

But, yeah, no, that's true, that's a true story. They were definitely. But you know, for me I'm always afraid that, uh, I have another camera that faces this way, so my, my face, face yeah, it's probably probably a good idea and so it looks just like a boring closet.

Speaker 3: 1:07:31

But, uh, but no for the. This, obviously for the show, and we have our numbers here. So if you watch us on youtube, these numbers are our instagram and facebook numbers, and um, just heard recently from one of our teammates that that's how they found out about facebook, so we're uh and that's.

Speaker 2: 1:07:49

That's only one side of our facebook, though that's only the cycling men of leisure, we have cycling women of leisure, which is not represented up there. So that's not even the full picture, so if they would combine me combine them both together.

Speaker 3: 1:08:01

I would just for blanks and giggles, but they won't let me All right. Well, listen, we've gone on long enough. I'm happy to move forward. We've got this show and two more, and we've got some good stuff. I'm excited to do this with you. Let's finish it off. We got some good stuff. I'm excited to do this with you. Let's finish it off, as I know that people are highly enjoying sending guesses and doing hours and hours of deep research. I'm sure it's not hours and hours, but looking into it. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, it's now time for the listener spotlight all right, this episode's listener spotlight uh, has some fun clues.

Speaker 2: 1:08:50

So here they are. Uh, this city's harbor has a unique around the world. This city has influenced how large numbers of people travel around our country. You should appreciate that it holds, or it was once held, excuse me it once held a very fiery title.

Speaker 3: 1:09:28

I already have a guess.

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

Okay, good, good, just a second. If you visit this city, local tales suggest you're going to need a bigger boat. You're gonna need a bigger boat and my, my final, final hint is going to be this community can take a little credit for some major, for a major award winning, for a major award that it has won in literature. So that last one is the city can take a little credit for some major award that it won in literature, that has been won in literature. Do you want my guess? Little credit won in literature. Do you want my guess? Little credit won in literature, big award go ahead.

Speaker 3: 1:10:27

Boston, massachusetts, what?

Speaker 2: 1:10:32

I think you're gonna say st louis no well dude boston, massachusetts okay, we're gonna have to go off script here because it's st louis, is it really? No, I'm. Because it's St Louis, is it really? No, I'm kidding, it's not really St Louis. No, boston, massachusetts, huh. Yeah. Okay now I like where you're going with that.

Speaker 3: 1:10:56

That's good, I'm not going to tell you whether you're right or wrong. If I'm actually right and please don't tell me because it'll really ruin it.

Speaker 2: 1:11:02

No, no. I'm not going to tell you.

Speaker 3: 1:11:06

But you mentioned something about transportation. Boston has some of the best transportations, where the buses go one way and the trains go the other. We talk about it a lot at like transit conferences and stuff, so that's where my guess comes from. Now, where you've thrown me is is we're gonna need a bigger boat.

Speaker 3: 1:11:27

I believe comes from the movie jaws um, where he's like I need a bigger boat and so um, but that's I've said enough, but I that's my guess um, which is kind of fun, because some people write and say adam's right. I'm like, yes, tell them, tell them adam's right.

Speaker 2: 1:11:44

So is adam ever right? He hasn't been right so far.

Speaker 3: 1:11:46

We'll give him that I've been given some credit here and there, but I'm.

Speaker 2: 1:11:52

I'm gonna say, you know you haven't been right up to this point, but for a long time you were going with the single guest of st louis, so out of humor that I know and I'm that kind of hampered you actually getting the real answer because I'm sure you knew wexhall last episode's answer.

Speaker 3: 1:12:10

I'm sure you knew that well, yeah, after ed told me and then you still didn't know, that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 2: 1:12:22

Adam does not know. I do not let him know what this is. I do not give him the hints ahead of time. He finds out what everybody else finds out. You even lied.

Speaker 3: 1:12:31

Last night you lied, because when I said to you, hey, we had a guest, we do some show notes. I mean, let's be honest, it's a show, we do production notes.

Speaker 2: 1:12:41

Did I lie?

Speaker 3: 1:12:42

Well, you said, when I said about one of Ed's guesses, you're like, well, that couldn't even be, because it didn't happen during that time.

Speaker 2: 1:12:51

What I said was about the Andrew Jackson thing, that Andrew Jackson didn't really have anything to do with bringing the Republic of Texas into the United States.

Speaker 3: 1:13:01

Where's my censor button? He acknowledged it. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2: 1:13:06

James K Pope. Let's not, let's not give him, you know, let's not overlook his contributions, but anyway, Max would be happy that I, that I, that I be, censored me. All right, so there, there it is for next, uh, next episode for the first time.

Speaker 3: 1:13:26

I am seriously gonna be sad that I have to wait two weeks, uh, because I, uh, I feel like my guess is is pretty good, so well, for the first time you actually have a legitimate guest that actually matches some of the hits. Exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:13:46

So kudos to you. You're going to get partial credit, if nothing else.

Speaker 3: 1:13:50

Okay, fair enough. Well, listen here's to the next 50.

Speaker 3: 1:13:56

I would love to have another one of these celebration shows with the one Hyundai, and so you know the last piece that I'd like to share before we close this show out. I'm grabbing something you and I. Upon starting this show, I got to cover my eyes because I got a camera that will pick up on my eyeballs. It's designed to focus that way. You and I picked up one of these right here and, if you can see, yes, it says road adventures with cycling. Move it to your left. It says road adventures of cycling. Okay, yep.

Speaker 2: 1:14:33

There you go, yep.

Speaker 3: 1:14:34

And it's engraved, and we started the show in 2022. And we said that if, uh, if the show in 2022, and we said that if the show didn't go well, then we'd open it up. And I'm going to keep it sealed because the show's going well.

Speaker 2: 1:14:50

Well, you know what? Yes, we got that directly from Woodford Reserve and if you look back here, you can't really see it. It's covered up by the RAGBRAI license plate. I have a same bottle that's engraved the same way. So you leave yours on your shelf, I'll leave mine on my shelf and we'll save it for another time, because we said we would drink that, if you know.

Speaker 3: 1:15:16

Five years. If the show went five years, we'd open it up.

Speaker 2: 1:15:20

Right. Or if things just went pathetic and we threw in the towel, we could just crack it open and have a party, because there's nothing wrong with us going to Kentucky and getting another one. Well, that's true, but you know so, five years We've already went. What a year and a half, two years, almost, I know Cool.

Speaker 3: 1:15:41

All right. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate all the effort that you put into the listener spotlight, which gives me a chance to play with all my toys, so thank you so much To all of our listeners. On a serious note, thank you, thank you. Thank you Appreciate you getting us where we are today. Without your support, we wouldn't have gone as far as we have and have crazy things like jersey stores and T-shirt stores and swag and friends and people that we've known all over the United States and now international, with our friends in Canada.

Speaker 2: 1:16:25

And so thankful.

Speaker 3: 1:16:27

And Hong Kong, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:16:31

We thank all of you and certainly appreciate your support, and hopefully we can keep doing this for another few years.

Speaker 3: 1:16:39

Sounds good, buddy, all right, all right. Another few years. So sounds good, buddy, all right, all right. And with that being said, as usual, I bet you today was a great day for a bike ride, absolutely thank you for coming along with adam and michael on road adventures with cycling men of leisure.

Speaker 1: 1:16:55

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